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Still messed up by it in some way? How would you go about responsibly cleaning up that old mess, without just creating old drama for myself? What do you think: I think you were wonderful and extremely brave to leave this man. It is something I was not brave to do and then he went and left me anyway, so now I have to add rejection and him instantly with another woman to the list, and this gnaws at me day and night.

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Feeling such bitter disappointment in myself is also not the greatest thing for my self-esteem right now, but I am determined to get past it. Christmas is going to be incredibly hard for me, but I will not compromise and go back on my NC decision! I am so pleased that I came across this site because I feel so much less alone in this nightmare and that has gone a long way to making me think that it is possible to overcome and break this destructive cycle. I to was in the same boat and even now he is in a No drama no baggage lover available with another women out in openhe still tries to yank my chain.

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What a narc thing to say! He also spoke of his wife trying to get his attention in annoying ways, and being a pain, and saying that she often cried when he left for work, or for conferences.

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Yep, dealing with him has become an exercise in pain. I really do feel traumatized. My question, dear ladies and gents is this: I have done my best to maintain NC to the point of avoiding baggage social functions entirely and excluding him from those that I initiate.

I am pursuing funding for a center that will have me off campus at least part of the time.

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I have had my home valued and it looks like taking a lower paying position elsewhere will be financially debilitating including costing me the majority of my retirement savings as my retirement was collateral for the mortgage. A good many of my colleagues ironically including him have noticed that I am seriously unhappy and have asked why. He still occasionally sits down next to me at lunch, at faculty meeting, wants to discuss committee stuff, asks about my various and sundry home projects.

Should I break NC long enough to Sexual encounters Fort Wayne Indiana ks him that he is a source of incredible pain to me still and to respect my wishes and never speak to me No drama no baggage lover available I worry that as he is a narc, knowing he is causing hurt may merely feed his ego and, even though he has been seriously slacking on the job and is in a certain amount of hot water, he has been there a long time and may be able to do me serious damage.

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In your situation I would not tell him anything or ask him to do anything for you. You mentioned he could damage your career, that is something you need to protect at all costs until you decide what to do long term. I the office. We had a spectacular bust up at my leaving party which he attended uninvited. Lets just say he came out of it looking like the loser he was, thrown down some stairs by the bouncers! Anyway your narc get his comeuppance in time and you will get over your hurt but if as you say he really is a No drama no baggage lover available I would be very careful as they can be very nasty when crossed.

I saw a therapist for a while and I found it helpful. Miskwa Tell him nothing. My workplace is one of the bitchiest and most cliquey offices I,ve worked in.

I learned to ignore all of it. It,s worth it to me as my boss is terrific. And no job is perfect. I read a sentence somewhere,not sure where, I think on a bonbon wrapping: I agree with the others who say not to give up your place, your location, your job and so on.

Time to let go. You should be screaming in horror and running away, scrambling over furniture, pushing bookcases over, shoving grannies out of the way, and No drama no baggage lover available your shoe in a desperate bid for the exit. That would be a normalish response to a real epiphany about what this man really is, what he does, how Granny Itaquaquecetuba forum operates, and what he intends to do to you further emotionally.

Keep reading source articles and papers on the disorder — apply them directly to your ex, your situation, and you. Write it all over your soul inside and out.

His condition is pervasive, inflexible and permanent. There No drama no baggage lover available never be the change, improvement, or amelioration for which your empathy and emotions seem to be waiting around. Wow Griz! I also know this should be my reaction to my ex narc, but my reality is that even the sound of his voice has me wavering. This is why I have to stay strict NC. I feel so sorry Adult searching sex encounter Los Angeles California you Miskwa, but Griz is right.

Getting over a narc is a horrid and Beautiful housewives wants sex Atascadero consuming business and it must be times harder when you have to see him so often. Try to minimize the contact and eventually the feelings will fade.

Speaking from experience. Not everyone is going to share every single like or dislike. With the listing, as long as it was, the mirroring was apparent. These men are sadistic. Changing your perceptions about it is harder, integrating knowledge into emotional understanding and No drama no baggage lover available heeding it. Academia is full of psychopaths. And some real whoppers too. I have no idea why…. They do the most passive aggressive things that make us think we need answers from them.

Such as his sitting with you occasionally. When it comes to pathology and people who are packin personality disorders, I never suggest any contact whatsoever. Once sucked into the pathological dynamic, the only way out is NC completely. Olivia — the way you begin to take care of yourself and love yourself, is one action at a time.

After every action you take, you feel that much stronger and better about yourself. I ended a six year relationship on October 10th. This woman treated me like trash. Cheated on me, lied to me, manipulated me… She thought she had me right where she wanted me, and then I finally saw the light and realized how horrible my future looked with this person in it. I broke up with her and went strict NC.

I still cry and feel sad and generally mourn, but go back to that hell on earth? So take some time, get rid of any and all No drama no baggage lover available in your life, and learn how to love yourself, one action at a time.

I know that picking up the phone would be the same as jumping into the middle of a sea full of man eating sharks. One step at a time Olivia…. Hello Nicolas internet just has eaten my reply to your post.

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I have set a boundary and kept it. That is as you have put it Nicolas I have loved myself a lil bit more. And will continue to do so. Because as much as this breakup hurts it also sends a positive message — I am ready to care for myself. Few years ago I d be all happy to stay friends, to be his fall back girl. This time without even thinking twice I said goodbye No drama no baggage lover available opened the doors to let him out.

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